@kaniini I suspect a lot of the hate for Pleroma comes from two sources:

- Historic "political division" between GNU Social and Mastodon as in terms of leftie vs alt-right (which wasn't even GNU Social's developers' doing or desire really), some folks from that space moving to Pleroma and thus to a lot of folks Pleroma being mentally branded that way
- @lain is the fediverse's class clown and recent events have lead many people to associate that kind of irreverent humor with undesirable stuff

@cwebber @kaniini @lain Can you suggest some material for me to read on the background of the GNU Social / Mastodon politics?

@aidalgol @kaniini @lain Urgh, no I don't know of a good writeup, but here's the tl;wh (too long; wasn't here):

- StatusNet written and the base of most of GNU Social (and generally written and had a community that was very lefty, but occasionally left-libertarian) but StatusNet closes shop. GNU Social is the continuation.
- "chan culture", originally jokingly problematic (arguably joking doesn't make it less racist or sexist), becomes "ha ha only completely serious"

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@aidalgol @kaniini @lain

- many chan'ish alt-right folks kicked off of twitter, start to move to GNU Social instances. (Plenty of GNU Social instances not happy with this notably!)
- Mastodon comes along, supports OStatus (GNU Social's protocol)
- leftie, largely LGBT folks *also* leave Twitter, for the opposite reason! Many flock to Mastodon.
- Unsurprisingly, plenty of folks start to interpret this as GNU Social vs Mastodon as alt-right vs left, which is unfortunate

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@aidalgol @kaniini @lain

- Mastodon starts moving from OStatus to ActivityPub. Some of the squabbling spills over into that. Awkward
- Pleroma begins using ActivityPub very actively, and that's when https://octodon.social/@cwebber/100239388817712633 begins to apply IMO

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Anyway, that's my own personal interpretation and read of that history...

@cwebber @aidalgol @kaniini trev's article provides some more context but yeah i agree with this account of things

https://medium.com/@Trevatos/gnu-social-pleroma-and-the-mastodon-culture-conflict-3b10872937c2

with old mastos, i think probably 75% of the hate comes from negative associations from way back when pleroma was just a GS frontend and masto was limited to just m.s and our options were basically federate with people who hated us or don't federate at all. the fediverse has changed a lot since then…

@cwebber @aidalgol @kaniini also pleroma has taken masto's place in the fediverse as "the new kid on the block who doesn't quite implement everything the way they should yet" and catches shit for it the same way we used to :P

@kibi @cwebber Yeah, just wait until some totally new microblogging platform comes out, developed by someone that no one in the space was aware of. 😛

@deadsuperhero @kibi just wait till Spritely becomes un-vaporware and I either do activitypub completely wrong in the greatest source of irony ever OR I do everything completely right but start doing things that other "real world" implementations don't support!

@cwebber @kibi Also, if I may give you shit for 0.1 seconds, when is MediaGoblin getting ActivityPub capabilities? You know that it's desperately needed. 😛

@deadsuperhero @kibi Also, *is* it desperately needed? One of the reasons I shifted to Spritely is because other folks (Funkwhale, PixelFed, PeerTube) were covering MediaGoblin's domain... and well too! (Though none of them are doing "all the media types" like MediaGoblin was, but I can't for the life of me figure out why they wouldn't... @Chocobozzz, when are you gonna wise up and add multiple media types support to PeerTube? ;))

@cwebber @deadsuperhero @kibi Ahah good question ^^ I don't think we'll support other media types like music for example, because it adds a lot of extra work whereas other software do the job very well with with an interface adapted to the media (like Funkwhale for example). But since youtube launched youtube music, maybe we should develop peertube music too? :p