Sunday, I was happy to give a talk at the FSF , wearing the Tshirt I designed for them (photo). But later that day, Richard Stallman announced his return to the FSF's Board of Directors. In this situation, I'll no longer invest my energy for them... 😿

@davidrevoy did you read this: wetheweb.org/post/cancel-we-th

I read what RMS said and I think the fuss created around misinterpretations and misquotes from what he said is much more harmful to a community at whole, than what he actually said.

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@xinayder I read it, it was sent to me a lot this afternoon: I try to read various sources of info to keep rational opinion.

Still, I think if it was only misinterpretations; it would have been easy for him to fix it, clarify, adjust and post disambiguation when it was time. I see that very often on communication issues on other Floss project...

But even when he came back; it was made without clarification, disambiguation: just imposed out of the blue.

Definitely, not my cup of tea... 🍵

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@davidrevoy @xinayder
>I think if it was only misinterpretations; it would have been easy for him to fix it
In the context that the US is in it was, and still is impossible when happening.
Even the fact that he has his own mattress to sleep in the MIT ai lab was distorted to levels of utter insanity.
The context of the dissemination and fabrication of information in the US is what often causes all of the discord that you can see in the population.

En temps que francophone je vous redirige chez "softzilog" (qu'il repose en paix).
Il faisait régulièrement des traductions est résumer d'information outre France ou sujet don't les media passer sous silence.
En voici un exemple:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8ynWG0XpM0
Plus vous en apprenez plus vous vous rendrez compte que tout cela est d'une tristesse sans nom.

La plupart de tout les problèmes entre humains vient d'une incompréhension mutuelle, et d'une incompréhension de ses propre besoins et sentiment. Pour ça si cela vous intéresse je vous redirige vers les travaux de Marshall Rosenberg.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SANJ0qlRaRg

Take care Revoy, I like your art keep up the good work o/
@davidrevoy @xinayder
Just to add another something for the context of the usa. Even ESR got banned from the OSI, and he was a co-founder, and for even less than RMS.
https://www.i-programmer.info/news/136-open-source/13535-co-founder-of-osi-banned-from-.html
@mangeurdenuage @davidrevoy @xinayder I think you are trying to make the opposite point, but to me the OSI vs esr resolution was perfectly reasonable. There were formal rules of civility, esr didn't live up to them, so he wasn't welcome.

It just shows that rms got away with so much more, including violating the code of conduct at a LibrePlanet, before he had to go.

And yet he's still allowed back at LibrePlanet, that's the first shocker, and on top of that he takes that opportunity to announce that he's back at the FSF, which is even more unbelievable given the number of people who have spoken out about how this would harm the FSF and free software.
@davidrevoy

Still, I think if it was only misinterpretations; it would have been easy for him to fix it, clarify, adjust and post disambiguation when it was time. I see that very often on communication issues on other Floss project...
But even when he came back; it was made without clarification, disambiguation: just imposed out of the blue.


I'm sorry to keep this going, but that's not factual. Things were clarified and disambiguated, first by himself and then to great length by others. Only the clarifications and disambiguations didn't get any of the attention nor the bloodlust of the bashing and accusations.

And I don't understand why "imposed out of the blue". This was the result of an election, a result which was unsurprising given the circumstances under which he was forced to resign, and the support he enjoys. People accuse his supporters of being fanboys, but it's the haters that have taken social media by the storm with battle cries, while his supporters have for the most part tried to bring facts and arguments to the discussion, and sent mentions of support directly to the FSF (to my knowledge numerous, at least considering the people i know) sometimes for fear of mob attacks.

You know @davidrevoy
that when reputation is hit, it's too late, especially with this type of movement.
The problem is not much about rms but the witch-hunt without respect to the facts and discernment about his condition.
This is kind of putsch and dangerous for the FOSS and freedom of speech.

I don't know why you felt the need to "stand" for, hope this is not for your patreon and youtube audience.

@xinayder

@bebel

> I don't know why you felt the need to "stand" for
Because my name was attached to the activity of the FSF at the time: 2x Libreplanet talks + FSF35 T-shirts.

> hope this is not for your patreon and youtube audience
No, no one. I was on Libreplanet during the annuncement, I waited 24h to give time of FSF to clarify, and then I took this decision all alone by myself. See the date.

> freedom of speech
xkcd.com/1357/

> "about his condition"
What condition? (sources?)

@davidrevoy rms is clearly autistic, you are maybe too politically correct to not admit this is a mental disorder but it is. However it does not mean he has a free pass but it is obvious his cold/incomplete view is due to this.

But above all, the manner (fact distortion, lies), the political stunt around this affaire is bad, is bad for the free and opensource movement.

btw, you put the whole FSF in the same basket, where's the diversity?

sorry @bebel but as far as you are not his therapist, you shouldn't say this, even if he seems to have an autistic behavior. Even if you would be an psychologist, such a "remote diagnostic" is not reliable. So please don't try to do so. In this case it doesn't matter, even if a person is autistic they dont have to act like an a***. Ask some autistic people you know ;)

A founder or important person to the movement can be very important to it and his/her behavior has a big influence how (in this case) the open source movement is seen in the public.

I personaly think rms should do at least an apology and sign some sort social - code of conduct, but better he should resign and give his replacement an good start and support him/her and they also should invent some real control power in the fsfe. That would show some true greatness. But I am afraid he is not able to do so.
@davidrevoy
@krutor aka Simon An apology for what exactly? For saying things that are not misogynistic, no transphobic, and didn't hurt anyone? For being capable of taking back things he said and changing his demeanor when explained they were not nice? For having provenly had his words distorted and his image turned into a caricature by people who are in rage?

Even if you don't perfectly agree with that, do the facts (not the slander) justify him being publicly lynched together with the organization that best represents the philosophy of free software?

I don't think the counter-argument is about Stallman being cognitive diverse, elderly, or about freedom of speech - though anyone wanting to treat things with decency should consider that, to some extent, those points deserve consideration and weight. As well as the point that many of the people leading the attack on him are in the "opensource not free-software" field and financed by Microsoft and the likes. But again this is not the heart of the issue.

The real counter-argument is much more basic, it is about the most fundamental precept of any social contract, which is fairness and proportionality. People are treating him as if he had actually done the horrible things that are being said of him even though he *factually* did not. The things he did do are quite reasonable, and are squarely and entirely in the realm of respectful disagreement and of being considerate to other people's viewpoints and different life experiences.

If you ever met or had the chance to discuss with him, I can bet you'd find him way less misogynistic and transphobic than most people on the board of most "libre/open" organizations out there, and any other "progressive" organizations in fact - many of whom play the game of embellishing their beliefs to advance their personal agenda, or hold such beliefs thoughtlessly, from peer pressure and not from careful and heartfelt consideration.

Now, Stallman has a way to act and express his views that is uncompromising and prone to challenge the status-quo and test the limits of social norms - while staying entirely in the realm of what is legal and harmless to everyone but the powerful. But is that such a high crime? Is that even a crime? I personally wish we had more people like that.

@krutor Pure garbage. You just don't want to recognize it cause the idealogy nowadays is about to remove all kind of mental disorder from the medical field.
He is clearly autistic, it does not excuse for everything but do not expect him act according your standards, 1st degree apologies, he made it somehow.

i don't tolerate physical and repetitive harrassment but i don't tolerate hysterical mob neither.

@davidrevoy

@davidrevoy sure, david, you have almost 40 and you draw only underage girls. Sound fishy to me.

vieux pervers

@krutor

@davidrevoy sure, david, you have almost 40 and you draw only underage girls. Sound fishy to me.

vieux pervers

@krutor

You see the mob against #rms. this old dude David Revoy in lack of argument choose the block option against "opponent".

such an arrogant fragilist.

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