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I will stop here with by removing the block feature inside the app in the next release.

My motivations:

- I didn't receive a reply from Google policy team about a potential ban of the application.
- Without the previous risk, I clearly think that's not my role. I can't hard-code instance blocks especially when every tools are here for that.
- If you want a strong block, it's in the hands of social network developers or your admins.

@fedilab bye fedilab.

Glad to know you're cool with your work being used to connect fascists.

Sure, we can block them here, but they can still have their echo chamber where they build each other up using your software.

And, yeah sure, they can access through other means, but you gave them another avenue of access that you could have stopped.

You're shit. Good to know.

@magicalmilly
Does your social network plan to ban them (devs)? No, afaik. Did you plan to change/move too?

@fedilab my app has banned them.

And my admin has too.

:)

@fedilab no.

Because you're giving them ability to exist.

Which means you're condoning them and their actions.

The whole point of federated social media like this was so that we could take back control and have it be more personal and less corporate.

And you decided to act like a corporation, by deciding their clicks were more important than user safety.

Thanks for aiding fascists!!!!

@magicalmilly
Think further. Gab isn't the only instance that tolerates content that shouldn't be tolerated. Hate speech isn't only done by users of Gab. This is a bigger question. A very basic question about moderation on the fediverse. App devs can't moderate the whole fediverse, neither should they. Instead, instance admins can and already do moderation even better. They have the tools, devs don't.

All in all I consider @fedilab s decision as fully reasonable.

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@KitsuneAlicia
You got a point, although I don't userstand your "main instances" example. Librem isn't a nazi instance and I never heard of the other one mentioned. This act would assume that apps have some sort of terms of use.

Nevertheless, I still think moderation should be done by istance admins, as everything else makes things more complicated and blockheavy.

@magicalmilly @fedilab

@jeybe @magicalmilly @fedilab Librem *is* a Nazi instance due to how Purism said they wouldn't moderate it. They originally disabled reporting altogether & said to report problems to the police, but due to outcry, they re-enabled it & said they wouldn't do anything unless absolutely necessary.

No ones been able to push 'em into real action & Nazis have since started taking over the instance, so most have already defederated from them as a result.

@jeybe @magicalmilly @fedilab As for "FSE", I was referring to freespeechextremist, but I know others exist.

And in regards to the last part, as I've said, the goal is to set up as many blockades as possible in order to discourage them. Complicated or not, it's nothing compared to the consequences of inaction. We're not asking for a developer's life here. We're asking them to take 5 minutes to help save ours.

@jeybe
@purism actually forked Mastodon to remove features in order to make their platform more safe for Nazis
@KitsuneAlicia @magicalmilly @fedilab

@magicalmilly @fedilab If you wish to block them from the internet feel free to write a letter to your politicians with the request of implementing rigorous filtering of the internet. Why bother blocking in a single app if you can do it so much more effectively?

@nvsr @fedilab cool to know no progress is better to you than some progress.

Go fuck yourself.

@magicalmilly Jeez, Fedilab's responses here are somehow worse than the fact they won't do anything.

"Yeah, we could lift a finger...but [X] isn't going to, so why should we?"

Why do so many devs completely ignore what marginalized people say and then say, "So everything is perfect"?

@magicalmilly @fedilab nazis can exist on any social network, not just Mastodon. Nazis could also just use the website instead of an app and instances can also block "nazi instances". So why do you blame Fedilab?

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@magicalmilly @fedilab Why aren't you holding Mastodon to the same standards? Gab is using Mastodon. @gargron isn't preventing them from using his software which means he's part of the problem and supports Nazis. Additionally, you're part of the problem by using software that is used by Nazis.

@magicalmilly @fedilab

Block this instance. It's anti 1st Admendment.

And go fuck yourself, commie cunt.

@USBloveDog so is allowing nazis.

glad you think me being blunt about a mistake is worse than the fact that he's going to let nazis on his platform because he's too lazy to remove them.

@magicalmilly Gab has some Nazis on it. Twitter has some Nazis, the leaders of the murderous genocidal Iranian government, and many other horrible people.
The internet was created to allow communication and little else. The best answer to bad people posting bad things is replying to them intelligently to rebut what they said. Not censorship. Censorship is the easy answer that never works.

@fossviking this isn't a government.

Ban the people you don't want from being in the group.

Fuck off.

@magicalmilly "this" is a collection of servers using open source code, who can rewrite that code as they wish under GPL and other licenses. "this" isn't a proprietary service like Twitter or Facebook where the owner has the last word. you can block who you want, but it won't stop anyone else from using ActivityPub or Mastodon

@magicalmilly
Fedilab embraced the true meaning of openness and decided to do the right thing by not censoring at the app level, as it should be dependant on your admin.
Aka: if your admin will block gab, and you won't see any connection to gab using ANY APP regardless, then you are fake outraged because someone is doing something you don't like.
Grow up and stop acting like a spoiled child.
Inb4 called nazi quadroon, of which, I am not.

@fedilab

@magicalmilly @fedilab you're gonna stop using a free program just because you dont like how the dev doesnt cater to your every whim, good to know

youre welcome to fork and publish and use your locked-down version of fedilab, just dont expect anyone to side with your version long-term

@magicalmilly

@fedilab

Well I know who should be banned for such a rude answer 😉

Blame the app dev for asking? Seriously? 🖕

@fedilab I think you took the right decision. I don't think it's your role to judge who I have to be able to see or not. Your role is to give me access to Fediverse, that's all. Thanks for taking that much care about users of your app, Tom! I really appreciate all the hard work you make with Fedilab!

@fedilab

I think that a good decision, it's not up to you or any developer to choose if a software must block or not something. A tool must be apolitical.
It's administrator's job to make that choice.

Btw, Fedilab still the best app to interact with the fedivers (and it will be incredible when pixelfed api will be available).

#gab

@fedilab so was your initial motivation for blocking sign-ins to Gab's instance just to cover yourself in the case Google banned your application?

@fedilab Sorry, I'm confused, can we still manually block instances / users?

@Gauge
Yes, the application has all tools for that, you can even report bad behaviors to admins.

@mastalab
It isn't fair for devs to have to make political decisions in public and inevitably be harassed by users no matter which decision they make.

Some app devs chose to block/others didn't.
All instance blocks can be implemented by admins anyway so no one loses blocking abilities.

Harassment of devs on this issue no matter which side they take is unfair and could lead to devs not partaking as fully in public discussions.

Being a dev is not intrinsically political.

@dublinux @mastalab wise words. I'd also recommend: Best forget this topic now. Whatever you do, bringing it up again and again and switching back and forth (and always announcing it), just lets one or the other people be angry while others applaud.

@rugk @dublinux @mastalab

"Being a dev is not intrinsically political."

...with the best will in the world, this isn't true any more, not in the social media age.

A long time ago, being an atomic scientist was once seen as a purely academic profession with no connection to politics or ethics.

@switchingsocial i'd say it was never true for any technology.

best to err in favour of advancing that tech in ways that give decisionmaking power to those directly affected by the decision, albeit perhaps making the more dangerous decisions opt-in.

(but that too is obviously a politically charged stance)

@rugk @dublinux @mastalab

To mangle a famous phrase, "you might not be interested in politics, but politics is interested in you".

Social media is innately political, and so is development work around it, because it affects who can use it and how their message can spread.

Social networks are now, whether we like it or not, powerful political weapons, and those who design weapons bear some responsibility for how they are likely to be used.

@switchingsocial

He doesn't "design a weapon", he designs an app to use social networks.

Also, what if he decides to add Switter to the blacklist?

(also, I see your instance mastodon.at only blocked a handful of other instances, shouldn't you get involved with your own moderation before explaining to others, or are there no nazi instances to block actually?)

@rugk @dublinux @mastalab

@vanecx @switchingsocial @rugk @dublinux @mastalab@framapiaf.org

Ah yes the "but what if they block something completely unrelated to fascism im gonna bring up as a strawman"

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@switchingsocial @mastalab @dublinux @rugk the solution is to stop weaponising social media. dont you have some anti-gun legislation shit youre also trying to push too?

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