If they wanted to join this Mastodon instance, I'd be happy to approve their accounts - all they'd have to write in response to "why do you want an account on our server?" is "We're keen to walk the talk and stop being hypocrites". If they write that, they're in.
haha, ProtonMail did that - and then they left...
@selea just another reason I'm pleased I didn't adopt their service (and set up my own mail service, which, frankly, is superb).
@selea full credit, though, to the folks at Mailcow.email, as I use their dockerised install.
Running your own mailserver is really nice, so much freedom included
@foxmask @selea follow howtos - the investment is miniscule, like a couple hours (max) of your time, and a few cents to set one up using a commodity Linux virtual server supplier and confirm it works, and if you keep running it, it's $20/month... I write lots of howtos: https://tech.oeru.org - you'll find similar elsewhere on the web. Before you know it, you'll wonder why people think it's so hard.
@foxmask @selea it's up to people like us - their friends - to show them there's a different way, and to demonstrate that if it's crucial to us (i.e. those who know how to host it), it's probably at least as safe for them as the corporate options that cost lots of $$ and/or mine all their (and their correspondents'!) data...
Hmm opposite to my experience I have had e-mails where a long signature includes about e-mail not being secure.
Unless we get GnuPG or similar as part of basic IT training then people will think opposite extremes.
If banks signed their e-mail it would be much better and probably easier to spot scams
@zleap @foxmask @selea banks are generally run by people who don't get tech. My bank (in NZ) has a reasonably informed CTO (with whom I spoke) but he essentially said that proper security protocols are beyond them. He assured me they'd have a 'secure upload' facility 2 years ago. It's not there yet. The bank still routinely instructs people to sign documents (e.g. account signing authorities) on paper, scan, and email them as unencrypted attachments. They're about 20 years behind.
@lightweight @zleap @foxmask @selea I think "time and expertise" are good reasons to pay $ for (unlike giving "the ability to exploit your data"). I personally feel confident in having self-hosted things to test and play with, but for critical things like email, with at least baseline security, certificates etc... not so much 😕
@miren @zleap @foxmask @selea fair enough. We all have to make that call for ourselves. Having worked for companies offering those services for money, I know that I'm as capable as the folks running lots of those systems, and I've got self-interest as well, so I'm happy to back myself in that role. :)
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