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[news] Did you know that there are now more than 40 plugins available for instance administrators? To support the installation of these plugins, we have just created a new page in which we will often highlight a plugin selection.

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@peertube @alexl

Looking forward for the WebMonetization plugin that can be a game changer:

https://community.webmonetization.org/miles/web-monetization-in-peertube-grant-report-1-2feh



Exactly! It will be a game changer like it was for youtube. Can't wait for people to be incentivized to produce more and more content, regardless of the quality, just so that they can make more money. Imagine how awesome peertube will then be: videos you can't watch because you are too poor; videos that are clickbaity so that people pay to watch them. Can't wait! :)
@tio Why blame @peertube for poor people not be able to watch videos? Nay-saying isn't right here. Internet "load" is expensive in 3rd-world countries (or developing).
@peertube @roland Not blaming anyone, especially Peertube who just provides a great software. But pointing out to something that not many seem to consider. I simply care about everyone having access to knowledge, this is what I've been doing for the past 10+ years (providing free digital stuff for everyone - documentaries, books, tools).

@tio @peertube

I'd say this could be the beginning of a real Web 3.0! No more ads, no more clickbait, less content with better quality!

And decentralized to some degree thanks to ActivityPub & Co.

@peertube @alexl Alex, listen. I am on this Web-Peertube 3.0. I make videos about science - they take a long time to make. 1 month for 1 well made video. I charge for it, so only those who pay can watch it. Now I am trapped in a very messed-up game: one one hand my science videos (important ones) cannot reach as many people because I am blocking those who cannot pay; and second, since it takes me so long to make 1 video then I'll probably charge even more for one video, making it less and less accessible for others (the more expensive the less accessible).

And third: if all works well, and I start making money, then I know that the faster I produce videos and the more of them, the more money I make. So I'll probably make less scientific videos, more clickbaity, release them faster, so I pay for that car I want to buy. It is a very very bad incentive.

So, if I could run a simulation of a popular Peertube instance that is pay-per-view, I am sure I will see a Peertube instance full of crappy videos. Same as youtube....
@tio When it is about bandwidth, then why don't you go back to #gopher or #gemini? Then you have minimalist Internet protocol. Even high-quality pictures can become large (2-4 MB for a high-res JPEG).

@tio @peertube

You didn't get WebMonetization then:

Advertising -> clickbait because the point is making people open the link.

WebMonetization -> make people actually read/watch the content and "stream" microdonations while doing so.

@peertube @alexl

WebMonetization -> make people actually read/watch the content and "stream" microdonations while doing so.

This is from the website that made the monetization plugin:

Monetization, providing ad-free viewing for those who pay, and enabling exclusive content which requires payment.

So not only you hide content behind paywall, and trigger the avalanche I was talking above with the bad incentive, but as I see they plan to insert ads and the payment to be an option to remove the ads. Same as Youtube. No difference. Don't expect to produce different outcomes.

@tio

I just told you it's not like that. Yes, with the JavaScript API you can deliver different content to those who send at least a certain amount of credits per second.

But this is a possibility. If you don't like this you can use WebMonetization simply to automate the donation system.

WebMonetization is this, automatic money transfer, you decide how to take advantage of this technology.

webmonetization.org

@alexl If this is a way to more easily donate to others then that's great. But if people "donate" in order to get something else in return (like perks) then that's a slippery slope and is, of course, not a donation anymore, but a purchase.

@tio

You decide. Integrate WebMonetization in your Web site, blog or platform and you will have a decentralized Patreon: you decide if and how to reward those who donate, whether to provide premium subscriptions, whether to sell content, whether to sell extras for real fans, whether to publish everything for free and automatically receive micro-donations etc.

That plugin is used to receive donations from those who view the videos and possibly making them skip the sponsor part.

@alexl I understand that you may use it as you wish. That's great. But am not sure if I you understood my point that as soon as you provide your videos to others ONLY if they give you something back (money or whatever), then that's exactly what ruined youtube for example. So I would hate to see that happening to peertube instances.

@tio

But YouTube main funding model is advertising. There are other platforms focused on paid content.

And there are high quality YouTube channels that are funded with Patreon or donations in general. For example 3Blue1Brown has the best videos about math and he disable ads for first weeks after publishing a video because it's sponsored by his patreons.

And there is a problem on the Web in general called clickbait caused by advertising and WebMonetization is meant to fix this.

@alexl Take Netflix. It is paid-for content. Yet it is as click baity and as invasive as Youtube. Yes I am aware of many great youtube channels, we curate them at tromnews.com/videos/ , but they are a tiny sample of all youtube videos - to get a better picture you should look at a greater sample, and if you do that you realize most youtube channels are click bait and of a poor quality.

Patreon is good if it is used as a donation platform and not a market platform where you can "buy" access and all that. As soon as that happens it kinda ruins everything and incentivizes "creators" to do more for those who pay, and less for everyone else. It is a form of prostitution: I give you this, if you give me that. They call them "perks" today but that's kinda what it is.

Advertising is bad but that's just one of the practices of trade. Is the Apple model better? And if so why? Is Netflix better than Youtube? Are pieces of software that limit the usability and offer premium accounts, better? I would argue all of these are equally as bad.

We create lots of content, see here www.tromsite.com and here www.tromsite.com/tools - and we never asked for anything in return. We rely 100% on donations, and that allowed us to keep ourselves sane and honest and to produce good quality stuff. But we do the same as archive.org, wiikipedia, and indeed peertube and other such projects that rely on donations only.

If Peertube would ask you to pay for more features, else you won't get them, it would hinder its progress and stop others from using it.

@tio

PeerTube is Free Software, you can install it on your servers and use it as you prefer. PeerTube doesn't interfere with your funding model.

WebMonetization is a protocol to automate microdonations, you can implement it or install (Free) software that implements it. WebMonetization automates your funding model whatever it is.

I do not share your conclusions on paid content and it does not seem to me that you have real arguments, it seems a preconception to me, sorry!

@alexl

I do not share your conclusions on paid content and it does not seem to me that you have real arguments, it seems a preconception to me, sorry!

My arguments is that I curate thousands of materials for the past 10 or so years. Documentaries/lectures/movies here www.videoneat.com/, news and videos here tromnews.com and software here www.tromjaro.com/apps/ - in most cases the best materials (scientific and so forth) where the ones that were offered for free. Paywalls always incentivize a greedy behavior. I also wrote a 1k pages book about the topic, here www.tromsite.com/books/#flipbo… and I looked at entertainment, healthcare, science, news and a few more to compare these domains (with or without trade). We also have a book about the entertainment industry overall www.tromsite.com/books/#flipbo… - same conclusion.

It is simple tho. If I make videos but only show to those who pay me, I will be incentivized to maximize my gain because I too am trapped in a world of consumerism and I want that new iPhone and that new car, or I have to pay for my rent. And so, I will try to get more money from you by making more content to maximize the viewers.

@tio

You have an incentive to increase your income even with donations 😜

In fact, the main problem of those who make journalism without big sponsors but asking for donations is the tendency to sensationalism.

@alexl

You have an incentive to increase your income even with donations 😜

Much less. You do not directly sell anything. Plus, you don't hide your content from those who cannot afford to pay.

In fact, the main problem of those who make journalism without big sponsors but asking for donations is the tendency to sensationalism.

You have any examples?

Donations are a volunteer act, not forced. Paywalls are still a volunteer act, but without knowing exactly what you pay for. This is why is easier to scam people when they don't even see your content before paying for it.

Big sponsors tend to have a big influence over the organization they sponsor. See Linux with Microsoft and the like. See any scientific paper that comes with a red flag if it is ever sponsored by someone.
@alexl And btw, I am not saying donations are a great solution, but I am saying it is much better than anything I've seen, from many perspectives. Less incentive for creators to lie and click bait and make poor content, but also more free content since it is not behind a paywall.
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