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The recent excitement surrounding Thread's arrival on the Fediverse is concerning. To understand why this is not a good idea, consider their economic interest in harvesting data, their poor moderation, and their manipulations. Nothing good can come from their federation. Don't roll out the red carpet for them.
️ @davidrevoy
Harvesting data: if someone’s toots are public Meta (& others) can anyway right? & if someone is not on Threads Meta can’t get more than what is posted
Poor moderation: join an instance that full blocks Threads then. That’s a selling point of the Fediverse
Manipulations: not on their service so what can they manipulate?
Nothing good from their federation: except being able to interact with the millions on Threads
Don’t get me wrong, I hate Meta but fearmongering isn’t going to help
@maxmm77 Ok, good points, but I also see this side: harvesting data, on their side they can measure behavior of their audience who interacts with our post (how long a follower scroll/read my post, interact with it). And nudge them with timeline manipulation (sorting the post inside a specific context). Poor moderation is already a thing ( I see a user complaining about too many porn bots on https://www.threads.net/@zuck/post/C0zXcQmxO77/ ).
Interacting with millions on Threads: OK, this is a good thing. 1/2
@maxmm77 2/2 About manipulation, they are also known for the "pay to win" (politics, brands, etc... pay to get more visibility). This will probably have a similar effect on user of the fediverse. Thinking the network is cheated.
@davidrevoy Hey thanks for your response! You're right on harvesting Threads user interactions with Mastodon posts, & I'm sure their timelines will be manipulated. I hope the interaction allows Threads users to realize they don't need Meta messing with their feeds.
Poor moderation is a thing on Mastodon as well. I've seen all kinds of porn bots in random hashtags they don't belong in. The beauty is the option to de-federate is there & I hope that can also be a way to combat Meta "paying to win”
@maxmm77 Thank you and I agree with the defederation beauty.
Now I can also see another positive argument for this federation by the way thanks to your message: showing to their huge audience they can move to a free/libre alternative without loosing their contacts or content. That's indeed a thing to consider.
@davidrevoy @degoedel ahhh yeah influencing AP isn’t something I had thought of. The Threads brand of AP is certainly going to differ from Mastodon (even their hashtags are already different) and I had previously seen that in a positive light (freedom of choice) but yes with an overwhelming majority it could be an issue
@davidrevoy @maxmm77 If Threads actually allows migration. I wouldn't be surprised if they tweak it so that leaving Threads means starting all over again instead of keeping your contact/followers.
@morganedesiv @maxmm77 Yes, that's a fair point. I know the EU law for interoperability is for somewhere soon within the decade; and I wouldn't be surprise if this move toward the Fediverse is a test to avoid a big bill in the horizon. I also don't know if this future law will constrain them to also propose a system to move followers and profile to another server. For sure, they are expert in Deceptive Designs to make a form feels and looks difficult, a burden and risky for their users.
@davidrevoy @morganedesiv @maxmm77
Then again, I suspect them for only opening certain options to EU citizens.
Other people might have to start again on a different server.
The #dsa starts to work on 1st of januari 2024 for big companies and will gradually expand to smaller ones. Threats isn't part of it yet, meaning that they'll have 4 months to comply once the EU put them on their list.
@morganedesiv @davidrevoy @maxmm77 You have a good point! I'm sure Threads will not let your data out in a form that you could import into other instances.
Though they are legally required to hand out all your data if you request it from them