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@davidrevoy Love your work, David. And it’s definitely not your fault that we live in the worst possible timeline but what’s missing in that image is the hand from Google giving Mozilla half a billion dollars.

(Mozilla exists on roughly half a billion dollars from Google every year. Sadly, they’re not so much adversaries as partners.)

David Revoy

@aral Thanks!

Yes, I knew that. Thank you for writing this, it is useful information.

It's hard to show all the subtle interactions and I had to sit on my own issues with Moz/Ff - e.g. all their failed non-sense side projects or recently their AI discourse to seduce investors.

It's a limitation of my illustration that I kept it as simple as possible to be more efficient with the message: if we all used Firefox with UblockOrigin, the toxic adv industry wouldn't be such a monster.

@davidrevoy I hear you and empathise :)

> if we all used Firefox with UblockOrigin, the toxic adv industry wouldn't be such a monster

If we all used Firefox with UblockOrigin, Google would go bankrupt. When Google goes bankrupt, Mozilla would lose the half a billion dollars it needs from Google to survive so Mozilla would also go bankrupt. So the only way Mozilla and Firefox can continue to exist is if we don’t all use Firefox with UblockOrigin. That’s the gambit.

@aral @davidrevoy Mozilla doesn't need to survive for Firefox to survive and be useful. There are already many forks of Firefox by people who think Mozilla already shouldn't have survived.

@immibis @davidrevoy And how many of those forks would be able to maintain their codebase if Mozilla went away tomorrow?

I’d optimistically put the number at zero.

But don’t worry, Google isn’t going anywhere so neither is Mozilla.

@aral @immibis @davidrevoy

Without google or other ad-funded behemoths, web standard churn would be significantly reduced (and probably redirected to features people actually want).

Non-moz Firefox could keep up. It would be a slower pace than today, but it would be in a better direction.

@aral @immibis Those forks often nix Google as a default search engine, but the problem is the forks are far less popular so the masses do not escape the power of defaults. Also note the reason people favor the official version is to get fast security updates. Some of the forks have been shown to take weeks to apply a patch. @davidrevoy