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The recent excitement surrounding Thread's arrival on the Fediverse is concerning. To understand why this is not a good idea, consider their economic interest in harvesting data, their poor moderation, and their manipulations. Nothing good can come from their federation. Don't roll out the red carpet for them.
@davidrevoy If I may ask, what kind of solutions do you have in mind?
@myrmidon I have no idea. I'm just a user. I understand those who are already defederated with them (as my instance), I understand those who are 'waiting and seeing'. But I'm also deeply concerned about those who praise this situation and try to normalise it as something positive. I don't see anything positive in it and I just wanted to say it.
@davidrevoy It’s happening and once it’s on, it will be bigger than all of SocialWeb before them (at least an order of magnitude).
And people "there" are normal people, not fascists, rapists, murderers, etc.
So what does this ban mean exactly?
Let’s take to another level: You live in France, one of france telco HR policies are so bad that some of its employes are killing themselves citing work… again. Do you think you should ban calls/texts with anyone using their SIMs or landlines?
@myrmidon @davidrevoy
The problem is not people. It is Meta.
(And I also believe growing the Fedi as much as possible is playing a game we already lost since it doesn't NEED to grow to survive.)
@Zekovski @davidrevoy Google has a lot of issues too. Is your mail provider blocking all traffic from/to google mail services ?
@myrmidon @davidrevoy
It's not about blocking Meta because they are bad.
Gmail is actually an example of what could happen :
It is now in a monopoly position. Hence they can and do change how email distribution work to their advantage.
Smaller actors are at a disadvantage because they have to keep up in order to be compatible, but they have less ressources. So people use gmail to have something "that works".
@myrmidon @davidrevoy
The actual fear is this. Letting Meta take control of how the fediverse works.
It is explained in detail here if you're interested :
https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
@Zekovski @davidrevoy Thank you. I’ll make time later today.
Of course we should!
If a company is so bad that it causes deaths (as Facebook is, see the Myanmar example), we should NOT accommodate their users. Those users should realize they are feeding an evil corporation and leave!
If not federating with META makes a 1/1000 of a percent of their users realize this and leave, that would be a great victory.
@axnxcamr @davidrevoy Nobody will leave threads because of this. Normal people will leave Mastodon instances that don’t federate and people with utter moral values will be isolated. What a great way to live. 
Refusing to give in to evil corporations, yeah, I'd say it's a great way to live.
@axnxcamr @davidrevoy yes. But forcing upon others is a the root of every totalitarism.
You’ve probably seen that some instances that preemptively banned are re-considering as their users are not happy.
Comm tolds are here to help us communicate with everybody we want, no decide with whom we can.
People won’t change instance, they will go to Threads.
I don't know, we'll see.
I still think letting Threads in will be the end of Fedi and AP. I'm not the first to think like that, won't be the last either.
@axnxcamr @davidrevoy It is the end of the experimentation and the start of SocialWeb Everybody will finally have an inbox.
I hope next step is Instagram joining.
@axnxcamr @davidrevoy I don’t like not owning the domain part (web, mail, socialweb, …) so do I have a number of instances of various kinds.
But for parents, siblings, children, etc that don’t have someone like me to run IT, we need something like threads like we needed something like gmail.
Mastodon is "hostile" to normal people. We’ve seen it during both waves for Twitter exodus.
"Forcing upon others" is a false argument. It's like saying Chinese restaurants are forcing their food upon their customers because they are not offering Mexican food.
You want Mexican, go to a Mexican restaurant.
You want to connect with Threads users? Create a Threads account.
What Fedi offers is an environment free of corporate shit, ads and whatnot. Federating with Threads goes against that.
@axnxcamr @davidrevoy SocialWeb protocols are like SMTP. Nothing else.
If people want to live isolated, good for them, I am glad. The rest of humanity will happily federate without them.
I’m sure some people refuse to exchange emails with people hosted by Google or Microsoft…. Does anyone care? no.
@axnxcamr @davidrevoy The company I was referring to is worse, people are killing themselves because of work conditions (a CEO has been convicted for a first "wave").
So what do we don’t, we ask our phone to bar us from calling/answering 40% cellphones, 70% landlines ?
We all have our own level of "worse".
"Facilitating genocides" would be my idea of worse.
YMMV
@axnxcamr @davidrevoy I don’t know the details but I guess they didn’t facilitate, they didn’t act to make it more difficult for people to organize on Fb (i guess that was on Fb).
If they did facilitate, MZ would be facing charges in La Hague.
It’s terrible but it’s legally different.