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OK. Some people keep rating the app one star because I don't block an instance.

Unfortunately, their lack of comprehension concerning the Fediverse (manipulated by some propaganda) make they think that the app is not safe to use.

You have every tools with the app to avoid interacting with people you don't want to see.

@fedilab can you elaborate on the propaganda in the instance you won't block? Was it, for example, tied to an extremist terrorist attack?

@fedilab you were just talking about propaganda to defend your decision a moment ago, so why don't we talk about the instance you're supporting?

The #synagoguemassacre suspect was radicalized there for example.

nytimes.com/2018/10/28/us/gab-

@silvershovel
I don't support anything. I won't block anything as far as a market doesn't ask me to do so.
It's useless, it doesn't protect from seeing messages from these instances (many people think it will).

@fedilab Your selective silence (can't mention Gab, the #synagogueshooting, the violent and extremist material promoted there) and your selective wording (calling whatever points it out "propaganda") makes it very clear what you support and condemn.

@fedilab lol you blocked me from following your official developer account?

@silvershovel
You're really bad at being assertive...
You're being an ass to someone and insisting they want another holocaust (which undermines the Holocaust itself), in an effort to convince(????) them to do something, then you cry about them blocking you? wtf?

@silvershovel
And yes Gab is a terrible place doing disgusting things.

Why does that give you the right to be disgusting to someone and complain about being blocked? And then attack others work?

You're part of the problem, please stop.

@me I posted facts about Gab, never mentioned the holocaust at all. So whatever "disgusts" you is a misunderstanding at best.

You have to admit, it's HILARIOUS Fedilab said they wouldn't block anyone unless a market told them to, then they blocked me. Which market commanded that?

@me putting words in my mouth undermines your assertion.

I'm laughing at the hypocrisy of Fedilab saying they wouldn't block anything without a market telling them to block it. And then them blocking me.

@silvershovel
Hi!
Yes, sorry for the misunderstanding on my behalf. I'm also sorry for being curt.

Yes it is funny honestly.

TL;DR for below: Gab is a terrible place, some questions I don't expect anyone to answer at the bottom, and my thoughts about Gab (it being a terrible place) and Fedilabs intentions and questions about them.

[cont]

@silvershovel
I've never registered for gab, I went there once and it's actually abysmal, on-par with Voat which I visited a while ago when reddit's GH repo was archived, they don't talk about anything except annihilating people, some accounts I saw post 24/7 about politics, they don't post anything else, either someone who drinks a lot of caffeine and doesn't have a personality outside screaming about minorities, or 2-4 people on the same account.
[cont.]

@silvershovel
I've seen on Twitter some accounts don't stop, supposed "people" with bios with buzzword hashtags like MAGA and stuff, some profile picture taken from Facebook with US flag overlay, their account is comprised of nothing. It replies to trump and people denouncing trump calling them some generic insults and demanding the person posting an accurate news link of what trump did that day be blocked (funny that :))

@silvershovel

I believe all Fedilab wants is to remain neutral (whether that's a good thing or not is the main question), I really don't think they even has an account on Gab. There's also the entire fediverse fundamental that it's a federated system and who the user federates with should be up to them (in my opinion). Maybe make a Gab block an option in the client and then everyone will be "happy"? idk

@silvershovel

The main questions are guess is: is being neutral helping Gab? is blocking them much different to Azure(?) getting rid of them (if I operated Azure I would do the same if I'm honest :)), but if we get rid of them, is that a true fediverse or something else? (and would blocking them be like whatever big corp X does? do we want to be that?)

@silvershovel
There's also the fact that if a Gab-affiliate actually kills people again (probably will happen :/ but I hope it doesn't ), do we want Mastodon's reputation tainted by that?

@silvershovel
If I was Mastodon's lead Dev I would NOT want to be interviewed by the media asking why I let whoever made into a terrorist, when it's not even the official instance, the only thing being shared is the protocol the media doesn't understand.

Just some thoughts, sorry again for being curt.
P.S.

A friend sent me some screenshots showing a Gab's dev incompetency,

@silvershovel
I'll find it at some point but he basically complains about the amount of oauth scopes (i.e. fine-grained permissions are bad for some reason????) mastodon has....

@silvershovel
Oh my god I'm really sorry if you got a flood of notifications, I had to split it up and I'm in a shop cutting and pasting on my phone lol

@me I think you have two points here.

1. Are the devs remaining neutral? I don't think so; and it's because they used words like "propaganda" to refer to those who disagreed with them, and were so vague about what they were doing with the app it's confused a couple people posting here.

@silvershovel
I agree completely honestly, the use of the word propaganda raises more than eyebrows.

@me 2. You compare Fedilab to the Mastodon.social instance, asking whether we would hold Eugen to task for something his users do.

I don't think the two are the same - mastodon.social goes out of its way to disallow extremist content, while Gab seeks out the user base that creates extremist content. (See the included video.)

That's likely why Gab's app was removed from the Play store, and why I believe it's irresponsible for Fedilab to basically recreate the app for them.

Afficher plus
@silvershovel @fedilab They don't want to have to block instances. If they block Gab, next up will be freespeechextremist, or smugloli, or something similar. It's not their role to choose who can and can't use their app.

@DashEquals I just discovered Fedilab doesn't mind blocking as long as it's people who make them uncomfortable.

@silvershovel There's a difference between blocking a user who harasses you and making your app block an instance. You'll still be able to log into Fedilab.

@DashEquals I can no longer communicate with their official account. If you think my polite questions are harassment, can you tell me why you consider violent threats and terrorist activity to be defensible? Surely you think those are worse.

@silvershovel I'm not going to explain why Fedilab blocked you, as I don't know all of your communications.

What I do know is that they blocked you from interacting with their account. They're also on an instance that prevents them from interacting with Gab users. They've just chosen to not allow their personal issues with different people and groups to influence who can use the app.

@DashEquals so you care not to condemn violence and terrorism.

@silvershovel I condemn violence and terrorism, but the app has chosen to remain as a neutral tool, as it should.
@silvershovel No, I don’t want it to spread. If we let our rights and freedoms get eroded due to terrorism, we are letting the terrorists win. Read this: Don’t Shoot the Messenger

@DashEquals "If we let our rights and freedoms get eroded due to terrorism, we are letting the terrorists win."

This statement means nothing, and you use it to diminish the violence committed by the Gab terrorist.

@fedilab

@silvershovel @fedilab It doesn't mean nothing. The goal of a terrorist is to make you terrified of a crime that is ultimately insignificant. If we put 1/10th of the effort we put into stopping terrorism into solving poverty, or researching diseases, or healthcare, we could probably save hundreds of times the number of lives that terrorists have ever taken.

@DashEquals @fedilab so you are literally downplaying deaths caused by Gab users in order to promote their beliefs

@silvershovel @fedilab Did you even read what I said? Stop concern trolling and get a brain.

@DashEquals Yes.

"The goal of a terrorist is to make you terrified of a crime that is ultimately insignificant."

Downplaying deaths through whataboutism.

@fedilab

Afficher plus

@silvershovel
Dont confuse the app and the server instances. It's the job of server admins to block unwanted content. NOT the job of a programmer of an App. Fedilab is an App to access the federation.
You don't forbid having a knive because you could hurt someone. Fedilab is the knive.
@DashEquals

@DanTheFan @DashEquals in this case, it looks more like Fedilab is helping users access a service that was previously banned from the Google Play store...

@silvershovel
Do you expect Chrome of Firefox to block certain websites? No! Why do you expect Fedilab to do that?
It's the very same thing. Browsers are tools to access websites, and as far as I'm concerned, I don't want to have a browser whose developers decide what to see.
Fedilab is just a tool to access Mastodon instances.
@DashEquals

@DanTheFan @DashEquals Except Gab wasn't a web browser, it was a social app, so the comparison doesn't fit. Fedilab is Gab's way to circumvent the ban without even developing their own software.

I also wonder if Fedilab is inspired by some degree because of a profit motive.

@silvershovel

You will be able to access Gab with a browser too. Do u want Firefox etc. to block it?

@DanTheFan did Google remove a browser or a social network app from their store? :thonking: I was pretty clear about that.

theverge.com/2017/8/18/1616624

@silvershovel
Yes. BUT Gab now uses Mastodon as a social network. Again, fedilab is just one app amongst many to access it. I found at least 10 other apps. Not to mention Gnu Social, Diaspora*, Nextcloud....
All of these projects are built to talk to each other. You need to kill each and every one of these to kill gab.

@DanTheFan yes, I'm aware. And? If a social network app gets pulled from a store because it endorses violent terrorist beliefs, should it be allowed if a second developer reproduces it?

As a reminder: @fedilab blocked me after saying they wouldn't block anyone unless a market forced them to. Would you politely ask them on my behalf what market demanded they block me?

@silvershovel
I just don't understand why everyone accuses fedilab, while it is absolutely pointless in this concern.
Another good example is email. Email works just like the Fediverse, and no one would expect Outlook to block certain domains.
@fedilab

@silvershovel
Please stop. The world is a lot bigger than your silly culture war
@fedilab

@jhol @fedilab right after you delete your YouTube channel, the world is a lot bigger than it too

@silvershovel

Don't be such a twat.

@fedilab has made it perfectly clear. You do not have the neurones to understand or you choose to be a moron. Either way it's your problem not his.

Fork the application, modify it to your heart's content and publish it in whichever marketplace you please, but stop harassing people.

We do not need to hear cretins complain about other cretins. Which is why:

*plonk!* ← man, it's been years! ☺️

@silvershovel
You are probably mistaken. The synagogue shooting was livestreamed on Facebook, not on Gab.
@fedilab

@fuxoft @fedilab Citation needed. You appear to be misinformed unfortunately regarding the Gab #synagogueshooting terrorist, who never managed to live stream anything.

Gab CEO Andrew Torba endorses and echoes the speech of the shooter in many respects. Perhaps you were not aware of this?

@fuxoft @fedilab You're confusing a mosque shooting for a synagogue shooting.

If Mark Zuckerberg/Facebook encouraged hatred of Muslims the way Andrew Torba/Gab encouraged hatred of Jews, maybe you'd have a point.

@silvershovel

Why do you lie about someone using selective and loaded language and then do the same?

Suspicious.

@fedilab Online ratings are broken. People only ever give 1 or 5, and never anything rational. Whatever their view on blocking, that doesn't make the app worthy of a one star!

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