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OK. Some people keep rating the app one star because I don't block an instance.

Unfortunately, their lack of comprehension concerning the Fediverse (manipulated by some propaganda) make they think that the app is not safe to use.

You have every tools with the app to avoid interacting with people you don't want to see.

@fedilab can you elaborate on the propaganda in the instance you won't block? Was it, for example, tied to an extremist terrorist attack?

@fedilab you were just talking about propaganda to defend your decision a moment ago, so why don't we talk about the instance you're supporting?

The #synagoguemassacre suspect was radicalized there for example.

nytimes.com/2018/10/28/us/gab-

@silvershovel
I don't support anything. I won't block anything as far as a market doesn't ask me to do so.
It's useless, it doesn't protect from seeing messages from these instances (many people think it will).

@fedilab Your selective silence (can't mention Gab, the #synagogueshooting, the violent and extremist material promoted there) and your selective wording (calling whatever points it out "propaganda") makes it very clear what you support and condemn.

@fedilab lol you blocked me from following your official developer account?

@silvershovel @fedilab They don't want to have to block instances. If they block Gab, next up will be freespeechextremist, or smugloli, or something similar. It's not their role to choose who can and can't use their app.

@DashEquals I just discovered Fedilab doesn't mind blocking as long as it's people who make them uncomfortable.

@silvershovel There's a difference between blocking a user who harasses you and making your app block an instance. You'll still be able to log into Fedilab.

@DashEquals I can no longer communicate with their official account. If you think my polite questions are harassment, can you tell me why you consider violent threats and terrorist activity to be defensible? Surely you think those are worse.

@silvershovel I'm not going to explain why Fedilab blocked you, as I don't know all of your communications.

What I do know is that they blocked you from interacting with their account. They're also on an instance that prevents them from interacting with Gab users. They've just chosen to not allow their personal issues with different people and groups to influence who can use the app.

@DashEquals so you care not to condemn violence and terrorism.

@silvershovel I condemn violence and terrorism, but the app has chosen to remain as a neutral tool, as it should.
@silvershovel No, I don’t want it to spread. If we let our rights and freedoms get eroded due to terrorism, we are letting the terrorists win. Read this: Don’t Shoot the Messenger

@DashEquals "If we let our rights and freedoms get eroded due to terrorism, we are letting the terrorists win."

This statement means nothing, and you use it to diminish the violence committed by the Gab terrorist.

@fedilab

@silvershovel @fedilab It doesn't mean nothing. The goal of a terrorist is to make you terrified of a crime that is ultimately insignificant. If we put 1/10th of the effort we put into stopping terrorism into solving poverty, or researching diseases, or healthcare, we could probably save hundreds of times the number of lives that terrorists have ever taken.

@DashEquals @fedilab so you are literally downplaying deaths caused by Gab users in order to promote their beliefs

@silvershovel @fedilab Did you even read what I said? Stop concern trolling and get a brain.

@DashEquals Yes.

"The goal of a terrorist is to make you terrified of a crime that is ultimately insignificant."

Downplaying deaths through whataboutism.

@fedilab

Afficher plus

@silvershovel
Dont confuse the app and the server instances. It's the job of server admins to block unwanted content. NOT the job of a programmer of an App. Fedilab is an App to access the federation.
You don't forbid having a knive because you could hurt someone. Fedilab is the knive.
@DashEquals

@DanTheFan @DashEquals in this case, it looks more like Fedilab is helping users access a service that was previously banned from the Google Play store...

@silvershovel
Do you expect Chrome of Firefox to block certain websites? No! Why do you expect Fedilab to do that?
It's the very same thing. Browsers are tools to access websites, and as far as I'm concerned, I don't want to have a browser whose developers decide what to see.
Fedilab is just a tool to access Mastodon instances.
@DashEquals

@DanTheFan @DashEquals Except Gab wasn't a web browser, it was a social app, so the comparison doesn't fit. Fedilab is Gab's way to circumvent the ban without even developing their own software.

I also wonder if Fedilab is inspired by some degree because of a profit motive.

@silvershovel

You will be able to access Gab with a browser too. Do u want Firefox etc. to block it?

@DanTheFan did Google remove a browser or a social network app from their store? :thonking: I was pretty clear about that.

theverge.com/2017/8/18/1616624

@silvershovel
Yes. BUT Gab now uses Mastodon as a social network. Again, fedilab is just one app amongst many to access it. I found at least 10 other apps. Not to mention Gnu Social, Diaspora*, Nextcloud....
All of these projects are built to talk to each other. You need to kill each and every one of these to kill gab.

@DanTheFan yes, I'm aware. And? If a social network app gets pulled from a store because it endorses violent terrorist beliefs, should it be allowed if a second developer reproduces it?

As a reminder: @fedilab blocked me after saying they wouldn't block anyone unless a market forced them to. Would you politely ask them on my behalf what market demanded they block me?

@silvershovel
I just don't understand why everyone accuses fedilab, while it is absolutely pointless in this concern.
Another good example is email. Email works just like the Fediverse, and no one would expect Outlook to block certain domains.
@fedilab

@silvershovel
Please stop. The world is a lot bigger than your silly culture war
@fedilab

@jhol @fedilab right after you delete your YouTube channel, the world is a lot bigger than it too

@silvershovel

Don't be such a twat.

@fedilab has made it perfectly clear. You do not have the neurones to understand or you choose to be a moron. Either way it's your problem not his.

Fork the application, modify it to your heart's content and publish it in whichever marketplace you please, but stop harassing people.

We do not need to hear cretins complain about other cretins. Which is why:

*plonk!* ← man, it's been years! ☺️

@silvershovel
You are probably mistaken. The synagogue shooting was livestreamed on Facebook, not on Gab.
@fedilab

@fuxoft @fedilab Citation needed. You appear to be misinformed unfortunately regarding the Gab #synagogueshooting terrorist, who never managed to live stream anything.

Gab CEO Andrew Torba endorses and echoes the speech of the shooter in many respects. Perhaps you were not aware of this?

@fuxoft @fedilab You're confusing a mosque shooting for a synagogue shooting.

If Mark Zuckerberg/Facebook encouraged hatred of Muslims the way Andrew Torba/Gab encouraged hatred of Jews, maybe you'd have a point.

@fedilab Online ratings are broken. People only ever give 1 or 5, and never anything rational. Whatever their view on blocking, that doesn't make the app worthy of a one star!

@fedilab I don't agree giving 1 star is ok but if the third best app did it, they expect the best one to do it too.

@fedilab Huh, funny, that sounds like adbicating responsibility.

Oh, wait, it is!

@geekygoblin

Oh, look! She has an opinion. 🙄

Congratulations on getting your entire instance blocked (that's how easy it is) 👍

@fedilab Didn't you already block instances from being used with your app? Why not carry the censorship forward even more and make your app even less useful? You haven't a leg to stand on here.
framagit.org/tom79/fedilab/com

@coldacid
Yes, I removed this block feature because I didn't receive a reply from Google telling me that the app could be banned.
So, as an app developer I didn't have reasons to keep this block.

@coldacid
I am not on framagit, but you should find it with a search.

@fedilab Yep, found it. I apologize for my earlier attack-ish toot about the issue, but I reserve the right to remain wary about similar anti-user moves in the future.

@coldacid
As far as I don't have a clear message from a market asking me to do so I won't.

@coldacid

You do not have a right to anything. It's someone else's playground, which he kindly shares with others.

If you don't like it, fuck off, give your own time to make something awesome that others can use and convince people to use it.

Harassing #foss developers is beyond retarded. Fucking coward.

@fedilab

@fedilab I didn't want to say it, but heck it, I will!

"If you are neutral in in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the opressor."

-- Desmond Tutu

Get it through your thick skull, and understand it.

@giantessgnostic @fedilab Great! Are you going to harass Mozilla, and rate Firefox 1 star, because it doesn't block Gab, The Daily Stormer, etc?
@giantessgnostic @fedilab please demand of your ISP and the web browser you use to implement a block towards every website you hate
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